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KESKI · Jan 13, 2007, 12:50 AM // 00:50

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Originally Posted by Crom The Pale

Its not about wanting to get there because we need to farm or just be everywhere...

Many people like myself go to FOW and UW because its fun, its different and there are monsters there that you dont find in most other places.

PvP players that spend all the time on the same handfull of maps fighting the same humans over and over should get this concept...but they just dont for some reason..

This is a pve vs pvp problem because Anet made it that way....we just want the problem resolved one way or another.

Try to imagine favor working in reverse with the region that completed the most quests in FoW/UW getting access to HA and the rest locked out?

Makes no sence does it?

Nop, players make it so(I suspect both pve hater and pvp hater have a hand in this), believe it or not in the earlier days a lot of people waiting in TOA actualy cheers for their nations' teams that playing HA(and bet on it....not a good thing..but keep the spirit going)
The favor system, does in fact bring a lot of people who never try pvp in other game before give the pvp in GW a try....I for one(I played RP server in WOW), and my guild lord who actualy live in ha now(jerk....out fame me

)... To say its a failier all around its not just, which is why I said players fail the system as much as the system fail the player.

Again FOW and UW are not a progress map, its an extra, its an end-game, its an luxary. Prove me otherwise...show me how does anything in UW and FOW infact link with the main story line of GW, other then we see those name pop up in some dialoge(people in tyria talk about first Guild War too...which we are never apart of)
If you want to talk about extra that is hard to reach, for both side, there already is. The 15k armor, FOW armor, weapon skins(but pvp can get 2 of the so call rarest), different pets....a pure PVPer have no way for such luxary as for now. And PVPer cant even count on other people to do something in pve to open this up for them. Yet the last time someone bring this up, look at how many the so call "pure PVEer" drop the bomb at them.(How does want to look good conflict with pvp...I will never know)
If you want to play the compare game we can go on until the topic is lock....but I rather not, cause I actualy agree that something need to be done with the favor system so people will actualy find it something to be enjoy by all players, I just dont believe in removing it.

The main reason I cannot sign for the op's idea is because he want the favor to be ignore by pve.

Retribution X · Jan 13, 2007, 01:00 AM // 01:00

OH NO, I don't want favor to leave. I like favor. I just don't want it to limit acess to FoW/UW.

I want favor to do something else. Like maybe, a Health bonus, attack bonus, or armor bonus in PvE. Or favor to make access to FoW/UW FREE.

Then favor would still make people happy, But, We'd all get access to FoW/UW.

aB- · Jan 13, 2007, 01:47 AM // 01:47

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Originally Posted by KESKI

Again FOW and UW are not a progress map, its an extra, its an end-game, its an luxary. Prove me otherwise...show me how does anything in UW and FOW infact link with the main story line of GW

Let's follow that logic.

All PvP areas should be a reward. All PvPers should have to complete PvE goal X before they can go play PvP. PvP should be some kind of reward because it is extra.

Obviously I don't believe this, but it's similar to the logic used for the favor system.

Arcane De Farad · Jan 13, 2007, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by aB-

Wow, what wonderful logic! I play on the European server and think favor is not working. When Europe never had favor I bet you were complaining about the favor system, but now that it's working in your benefit you think it's fine. You can't simply flip on an issue because it's turned from working against you to not affecting you.

Well i didnt. I played the game, and do other things. I remember summer in 2005 when europe coudnt get favor for whole MONTH .... . Ecto price before global economy was worth something around 30k each. Its not about revenge cause we coudnt get favor at all. Everything is about reward for keeping elite area called HoH

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Maria Moon · Jan 13, 2007, 04:13 AM // 04:13

well,.. dont hate me for saying this to members for changing favour, but i think it should stay, though of course there will always be the question of "how is a korean supposed to get fow armor?" and "how am i supposed to farm shards if i cant get into fow" and i do respect your opinion and efforts for trying to change the favour system as it is what u believe in, but i simply cannot lie and say i want to change the favour system, you must also remember that anet would have to change the lore of the game, where the "heroes" duke it out to gain the favour of the gods upon their "land" so it is not as simple as that, though i must admit other did make a point in saying anet has changed alot of thing in a "big" way if you understand what i am saying

i still am wondering and have this constent "your a bad bad person" voice at the back of my mind when i think of the koreans and how i am not signing to this idea, but i ask that u forgive in my decision in that i think the favour system should stay as it is,

if i have offended anyone during this lilttle "speech" plz forgive me i had no intention to,

/not signed

I Phoenix I · Jan 13, 2007, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Simple solution is...to not do FoW/UW. It is not necessary to do FoW/UW.

If you really want Favor that badly, go HoH yourself and see how hard it is for your fellow Europeans to get Favor.

/notsigned

seut · Jan 13, 2007, 05:06 AM // 05:06

Ah, the myth of the FAVOR = SKILL again...

I played in a european guild in summer'05 and won favor a few times with my guild. Most guilds we faced in Tombs were american/korean... euros didn't suck back then, they were just a MINORITY (before the first tournament many euro guilds played on american server).
Look at the current GvG ladder..66.9% european guilds nowadays.

favor = which server has more people interested in PvP

KESKI · Jan 13, 2007, 06:42 AM // 06:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by aB-

Let's follow that logic.

All PvP areas should be a reward. All PvPers should have to complete PvE goal X before they can go play PvP. PvP should be some kind of reward because it is extra.

Obviously I don't believe this, but it's similar to the logic used for the favor system.

That is not the same logic sir...
GW's PVP is always there from the very begining. From the first day of game release, from the point you create your charactor you can go pvp, its never a "end-game" or "Extra" for pve.

so...unless you never create a pvp char before, I dont see how anyone mix this two.

shardfenix · Jan 13, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

Heroes ascent is broken, stupid, and meaningless. It's also full of noobs. If you want favor, get it yourself, it isn't hard.

In lieu of that little mini-flame, I support your pay-more-without-favor idea.

/signed

darknight2169 · Jan 13, 2007, 07:04 AM // 07:04

/signed although, I find it strange in the first post you say Europe has favour almost all the time, and america has it at "midnight", I'm from Australia and during the day America has favour quite alot, for a few hours during the night Europe has favour and thats when I do my FoW thing, but America seems to have favour more. Perhaps favour is split 50/50 and we just dont notice it...

KESKI · Jan 13, 2007, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Retribution X

OH NO, I don't want favor to leave. I like favor. I just don't want it to limit acess to FoW/UW.

I want favor to do something else. Like maybe, a Health bonus, attack bonus, or armor bonus in PvE. Or favor to make access to FoW/UW FREE.

Then favor would still make people happy, But, We'd all get access to FoW/UW.

The thing is...I do see FOW/UW as a perfect lure for those pveer who need an extra push to try out pvp...it worked on me

Have people simply pay more to get in will take away the its effect on people, few k in GW arent realy something hard to come by, and if you do UW or FOW its even easier the loot will most likely made up for the ticket and you still left with a lot of extra.

I realy thought A-Net had something when I first heard of the faction idea.
Both pveer and pvper can have a hand in gaining the right for elite mission, no one is been force to do neither. It turn out not so well.

I think the problem is A-Net keep using the method of "who ever have the most man power win". They should know better that is not the way for a fair compitition. Some nation simply have less gaming population, what do you want them to do?? Having crazy sex party so they can reproduce enough players after 10 years??

But I do see a positive future if they can refine that. A favor system that involve both pvp and pve, and reward both.

Like average of the top 5 score in pve challenge+ top 5 score of HA, and the winner nation keep it for the next day.
but I have no idea on how to score HA...in a fair way

Vàna Rúndóttir · Jan 13, 2007, 08:09 AM // 08:09

I have European and Taiwanese accounts. Taiwan hardly ever has favour. Access to areas is not a reward for anyone who hasn't personally won HoH, it's almost an accident of boughtplace (that is where you bought your game). So it doesn't seem fair that my Euro characters can go to UW or FoW but my Taiwanese characters can't. And it doesn't seem to matter to me whether people want to go to farm or explore or whatever. I'd vote for scrapping 'favor' entirely now. It was an interesting idea at first to cheer on your side, but now my friends are international, and so I can't take sides. It is time for another mechanism to unlock the special areas, based on individual merit of some sort (ascension, faction, cash, lightbringer rank or whatever).

Mister Muhkuh · Jan 13, 2007, 12:26 PM // 12:26

oh, btw, for those who think I am just supporting this kind of favor system, because I am from europe...

I am playing on american servers because I am in an american guild

but seriously, no1 complained when america/korea had favor all the time...

Definite Integral · Jan 14, 2007, 12:36 AM // 00:36

I think the whole favor system should be simply chucked into the trash can and forgotten permanently. The idea was always retarded. I think its stupid that 1)8 months ago Europe never got favor and 2)nowadays America never gets favor.

Just let people into FoW/UW for free, the only requirement being Ascension.

And if you dont like the idea of 55hp bots and SS/SV necro bots dominating UW, BAN THE BOTS.

NeHoMaR · Jan 14, 2007, 02:05 AM // 02:05

/start sarcasm Make all Europeans PvP characters 100 HP and all Americans 1000 HP, maybe that way they could actually win in HA /end sarcasm

(Like you could imagine, I play in Europe)

Nilator · Jan 14, 2007, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Might I suggest server switching?

Durik Lakmor · Jan 14, 2007, 02:36 AM // 02:36

I have major issues with the content locking, and more so with the HA community.

Alot of people in PvE are just as aggresive and "leetsauce" as pvpers, this is true, however with the exception of DoA you don't get alot of well you're not rank X or above so you can't join. Well it is a little hard to earn rank if you can't even get in a team.

I would love to learn how to PvP better and gain some rank, so would alot of my guildmates but the problems that we face are issues with getting a decent group together who will work together and earn rank, sure everyone has to start out somewhere and earn their way up but the exclusitivity of the rank system makes it hard for newer players or even older players wanting to get into pvp a chance to enjoy it.

No where else in the game is access to a location blocked by another style of play (pve/pvp), so why should UW/FoW be any different?

I do agree that Favor needs to have some bearing on the game as it is a cool idea, the higher drop rates would be nice, but then again PvPers wouldn't really use that either, so maybe the system is something that just plain doesn't make sense to some people, myself included.

For me it isn't about Europe vs America, PvP vs PvE. I would love to get into some pvp action if only i had a way to, fine I can't no big deal I will stick to PvE.

However maybe there needs to be more than just one area of the game that gains favor? Perhaps they could add some core Competitive Missions to gain favor, or have a donation npc to help sway the scale (donate X balthazar factions towards your region's cause). Perhaps add some kind of PvE mission that helps gain favor but is hard, maybe something like Mallyx (but of course being core not on one expansion).

In general I think that there should be more options for earning favor that doesn't just include HA, perhaps some PvE ways, perhaps not.

Also, I agree that regions such as Japan and Taiwan are majorly getting hosed by this system that is in place, maybe the smaller regions could have some way of balancing that out too.

Crom The Pale · Jan 14, 2007, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Yes FoW and UW are extras, but so are most arenas to new players or have you forgot that now all arenas except for Random must be unlocked through pvp play?

So suggesting that the unlock should be tied to pve play is not an inacurate way to show the stupidity of having a pve area locked due to pvp play.

I play this game to have fun, pvp is not fun for me. Its not that im not good at it, though I have no rank its due to lack of playing. I've earned my Friend of Luxon tittle so I do have some exp at it, though most will argue that HA is nothing like AB.

Telling me to "Go earn favor if you want in!" is pointless. Your asking me to do something I don't like to do in order to have fun playing a game I like to play.

FoW and UW are fun zones for my and my guild. We've been going into both since before it was restricted to ascended players. But with work and other real life obligations we have a hard time getting into FoW or UW as we cant pick a time to log on and play with any certainty that access will be availible.

I have a great deal of respect for PvP players, its just not something I like to do.

As for having to change the lore if we change favor, the way its worded it would actualy imply that Cantha, Elona or Tyria has favor rather than America, Europe or Korea.

Baelian Grey · Jan 14, 2007, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Definite Integral

I think the whole favor system should be simply chucked into the trash can and forgotten permanently. The idea was always retarded. I think its stupid that 1)8 months ago Europe never got favor and 2)nowadays America never gets favor.

Just let people into FoW/UW for free, the only requirement being Ascension.

And if you dont like the idea of 55hp bots and SS/SV necro bots dominating UW, BAN THE BOTS.

I totally agree. As I type this I am waiting for American favor just so I can go in and buy my FoW armor. Its ridiculous having to wait an entire day just to get into a PvE area that PvP players influence and mostly dont care about.

QuixotesGhost · Jan 14, 2007, 02:27 PM // 14:27

Create more Realms of the Gods and link the favor of each to a different type of PvP (and perhaps create more PvP formats). Then, chances are, you'll have at least one realm to tool around in at any particular time.